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PRIVACYACTMATER'ALREMO~ED WeR but dati on dose from inrake of food Did 817~go over t h e top ! the people have gone over the top as f a r 85 tlbe are v e 9 close to the rnaximun-. allownL1t do* of permissible unounts of ajium. M-l-es. and t e! are getirng the rrdioactirity i i i tlirii. Lalie; from their let,from ut in fi the Iotxll\ gmrn foods. In n tros ps ct, this is prokbly tbe big misuke made in the beFinnhg of the resettlement pmgmm in t h i t ue made reconimenda:lonwhich turned out to be impractjcal in the QW that to have gerdenr 8 S he told to grow his garden m d eat that food 1 TvaupThe original recornmendstions prohibited eating cert 311: built on pads of coral and that they ucpc told not to cat t h e coconut crab. You sa: FOU brought in outside f d r at the initial stare:. IYas rhiz t o cut d o m on the possible intnke of radiatioc residuels ! Did ~ o i ibrinc in outside food from the art ! tell the people not to u t the product:. M:.-I p e s outside food is still king bmu hc in. tha tv- e---- 8nd 6ome of the other vegrtrblr crop bepsn to b com c fully produdive. So u p until 1977 the? had been existing primarily a n fd products that 'cere t mu uht L, from the outside. Some of thew which had been certified to be suitrble. Mr.-. When did thej get the hum then ? w u revealed, 8 series of m dps es were umed out. n making of h e paaple ?
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PYlVACY ACT MATERIAL REMOVED 1173 To be published Lhu not ret rrrflrblt
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R e made resurvey of the Bikini environment, including rorlring for them at thst urd housing projects. s hn lIes in the work force rho were not from Bikini. -. You examined them IJ well. Kcre the! exam in4 w.TTe later included collections from the people who had ]iring in the houses: monitoring the Bikini rtsidenu was That is a Y e F sophisticated counting spstem where JOU in a chair and ahere ~ o uhare a counwr that detem tmvel together in the body. YOUcan we that the dirt ion f mm the cesium that has been taken up in the bod!. It actu. v's burden of cesium. Mr.BAL.ou crrn meacure the strontium with urine samples. but we+are no Leen able to see rnucb of that in the u r i n e !ampies a w l - able t o date. They do the whole bod^ counting shrnple for C S I ~ . TTe had a major resurve? of Bikini and Eoeu Islands in 1975. 4r ntil '75 you found nothing. mat did jour t e ~ 6'ill xou place in the record a statement representkg the levels v o u found ? That is a h e n we began to see the rise in the cesium.
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PRIVACY ACT MATERJAL REMOVED 11% included r lal of ple pomg out and walking rmnd the Sand with 40 p p l c wing out m d making rnasuwmcnts of the moil. rater sunn srmplcs. m d msrsuring the utcmal Irdiactivitr. Bikini Island. It is pncisClF for this rem .re r a n t to hare ar, aerirl slim ? becruse we u n cover much mom tem to q and much f&er and reu nw the arnc levels When you harea person Talking around. it takes man time. Mr.DCNCAS.1 undemood vou to s y t h a t this rise in thr level of musumments of strontium b c p n in 75 and th6t ;Four preliminarr analysis indicrts that it k m i r i p from the food source and that th6t food source bepn lo maturn 1st rear. How can .re meaSurc the inc naw in 75 rhen pow SAT rhnt it is corning from the fd if the food arsn't being produced u n d '77 ? JW, Then the pplt first returned. then ue refer if an? their use. Them rre some things that p7~nwild. The nae mB few coconu& and arro=r&. There r l ~ ca significant plm ting of coconut tmes during the arigculturrl rehabilitation effort. Mr.DCSCAS.Those wen the ones that bepan maturing in ?6! AmI not correct !We am in '78. bo lrst Fear would have ten '77. Rut non he is s r y i n g that the planting began to rnktun and it uas 76, x, r e are nar roa in e the pp. sumed prjor to 76. You +to natice a rise in the levels of cesium 4nd t h a t those levels have risen mow mpidly since the domestjcrted plants matured and wem consumed by the inhrbitrnts. Fw. We =err in jt idly using a predictive crpnbilitr forn num r of items in the diet that art now pring in the atoll. All we could do at first UAS sample the soil md try to predict the levels i n food.F.Whem r e m the?. coming from?You said a number of subs qur ntl ~h m e arrilable and we are seeing an incmag in rvailabilit?, an incww in uptrke, and ~ o urm't see rt What exact point in time things occurmd. hlr. D n c . 4 ~ .Is there a level of sophistication to measure this that has been increasing? So we might attribute the paler levels to a pttr abilitr Lo mensum ahrt w u there a11 along? Mr. DUL. Yes, and m e ~ s u ni t easilF. You ca.n rluay mewure if you tobk samples of soil and vegetation and went through a v e q cost15 instrument&T T e Fpr eve ql arp sump done 81 that time with 30 or r. htc r a ~h a s done a lot of tholv survcpa
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$R\VACY ACT MATERIAL REMOVED Let me an s ser that L little differe.ntly. %vera! year.; a p no one uould haw thought vou could take n whole bod\.counter i n r o the 6eld. Sou it is en@neerpd to b taken out into t Ijc field. bfr blcC That is the G r s t measurement of cesium i n people. Ke h a - zhat the levels would k. to!uppor; the eorlier findings. ?Te h i v e potren n bettor of dud LR lmkq a t the rctual items of thc diet &nd d o not h n w to rely on Mr. DrxcA::. But Four r h o l c bod!. counts in ( 4 WTY not alarmjng. It rm't until vou went beck in 7: w i t h p w r major resurve: that you -. In 1975 re began to pdid higher dces on the basis uc done h e Icvels wcm a frctor of ten hghcr than in 1974. whem ou kn or the individurl c cxpxun. We hnrc not exceded thr: ber for the fry ! po~ulation.W e feel t s: we can ullp the higher numbet or te Q ndi hue we are dud11 mPasuring the leieels of di wi vit j in indi\idual in EBC. populrtion. We know the distri: WIIJ do pw d l & slarrdrrda md my if you m e to ccbwe h r r mother philoeophj which is the lorag prrcti abl c sblution to pdlm abd it ib bslicred thrt the people rho work with dint ion rill not k v - RindiriBu d number. We lure seen Ierels rp rocching this lover numthe Federrl a d o & LR acceptable ?
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PRIVACY ACT MATERIAL REMOW 1l80 I just to TOT you 1944 b? then rppljcrble medical standards. He *as @run rr dirt ion in the tmtmcni of his tonsils. Evs ~ o n cthought it was yt.It wu s com on m di ul practice. Thousands of young psop e werr having their tons;~b rsmooed or sh,hded LS rmulr of this treatment. He, like all the others of that up! bm now threatened with cancer btaw of hark k e n he rsc+ived may have been comparable to the ingestion of a s i u m or The thought WUE to me,md I talked to the cancer spialists at SCI in comection with some of the herbicides m d addtions to faxi, time. The question is Khat will bthe effect 25 yum from now as a dfferent kind of aim ul at or arcinogenic mat rna l is bmuzht to bur So getting back to the question of Fcderal standards, five yea^ from now FOU might decide in the ne= Department of Ener that tlie levels you e s : a blis id am much too high and that you slioul~estab lish loner standards becaw you have, as Sir. Duncur pointed out, more sophisticated equipment. Mr.It is not r problem of being nble to measure the dose Ierel. It is honing the effect. Mr.DCSCAS.It is A question of exercising our best judgment. I would suggest that five p a r s from nou you might even be able t o down or a long period of time. We am tping to kee the dose in a tmid for akmd irm$"irted 25 years ago. So nor thew people-l usume the Art ion ':q---j sustain even loner levels -. You might p now. w f r . Chairman. I don't know that anFoae thinks that this is a 1 1 e t ,reatening situntion at this time, =I%%: kind of thing that if you let i t continue over a loa0 period of time then it rou ld bp to be of hau rd to their health.
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PRIVACY ACT MATERIAL REMOV ~ Return to Bikini Islrnd." h'int Y a m ago tbe C.S. Government told the Bikini IUndrrr i f was 10 t bC Stil i COnUffilnrted coil. So tbc Interior Ikprrrmen: ba. r r ~qu1r:l ITIF am you ding for niom money if i t is safe! Is it safe ? Safr that goes wittun t h e Federal standards. and that is the only guidelirir r e have to p with. Since that is not a practicrl solution m d we do see a riw i n tlic cesium in the whole body mun tin. we believe thrt they should no: he allowed to u t t h e food on the isfrnd. and it is probably not a pra:.- tica?situation. Any rdditional ~ settle mc n tshould b on Enru Island r h e r p they can have their schools and other facilities. That ic 1 1 1 ~ direction they should move and not t~ to do that on Bikini Island. been incrpesingt O u r friend has said the? are almost up to the to]' of the Federal standards. If thq su y them, won't the? go over thr kr. DLU. The whole question is, i f the? were to not ut the locally -s on Bikini Island, uould the mdirtion dose fron., csi uni m.'Ahat rill you do. bring in h x lunches? Xfr. DEAL.T hat is the imprncticrl part of the eolution.c 3f r. TYIXSL. If I might speak to this a f i of t h e discussioh bee~auc~. it bn np in the present time period. & u t is being hscus.4 illu-- trrtes,M you hve inted out, one of the difficulties of admin is tmi on. Decisions must & Kd on availrble information. O u r decisions ha\,(, to bbed on the informrtion which pou have been given, which I djo have bem given, b! mp n sent a tires of the Department of Enerp that local conditions would be safe if ample outside f d s u p lies wen. basis. These food supplies, rhile not attractive in all wp cc ts from th'e pint of rien of the normal diet, because eome I.SD.4 pen. & f,dfar rborc the avenge bs far a9 diet in the Trua Tem ton is concerned. -.- t does Umant You deliver Ii rations to them! Kr.Wxb- Dried foods, f-resYe'fnuuq rad reptabls f r o m Pomp. wh8l kind of k d &re you talki vaned a die: LS far up e in,hrch,carbo hy dw is concerned It pro\ided for the le on the island. In kddition. me prom Bed e q u i p
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rirr: ZI. Yrs, sir. T!:en tltev continue I O eat tlre coconut niid drink thr milk niid on: tlir food tlrnt tlic c o \ eri \ ment pixa them. rOcoriut5. Tlrr! hare l xen told not ro cat tlrrtn. To stop them from eat- : * ? tlint. sir, TTc h3ve to remove the pople from the islands or cut dotrn ' Satis the onlj wry you an do it.
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Mr. ~ BRIX .ITc mntcd to get there in time. A t times r e had w riou s transportation problems and verc do rn to one ship for trips to the outer islands. Sometimes. the odds r e m against US, but u e tried . to do the best we could. nhl do YOU mean. the odds wePe ripinst zou 0 ?!%!!D~BRP~. W e mere down t o one ship foi all the outer islands -. And one ship would not service the island or the pop lr ? Mr. DLBRTX.It takes three field trip ships to service. t o makc 2 complerc circuit of the .\farshall Island group. once D month. v.How many shi 5 d o you nred for the food for the su ply of food! h r . DrBRr3r. If we h a w one ship committed only to Bikini. FCE. one ship will do it. T h e s h i p that is conimitted to service Bikini also ser\.ices other islands in the 3 I a ~ h a I IIslands. trade goods 50 the people can buy it. people who were on Bikini? P\'as one ship adequate f o r a month's mwE RCX. It provi ses services, it b r i n e in copra Knd takes in . l'ou mean royidc food for t h e other islands! 3friybc we h a d better find out about ahere > * * work ?%!ki-.ri. Sot yen much. There wcre times. asI recall. Khen until i t TU a montli and a half h ~ e .sir. A month ansn Iialf late; you mean LKO nee kia f wr the shipa moritf i with Id for Bikini. we could not pmvidr a shi .\fter the schrdule date. -And what kind of food? You Nr. DEUHCM.Staplrs in Jlatsiiollest. terms is rice. flour. canned d. I mean froin the other islands. Mr. DLBRL-N.W e never shippcd any u xo nuts from thc otlwr island=. Why would you n o t ? Tf coconuts were such a delicnc!. Slr. DLI?RU)~I t was not apan of our fd in pmg …
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