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lcx. Cons ii era hle irt fc mati on '.MS given out upon rccyiest. this i n '"kshington c t iv!iicii time it -;ms f'clt t k ? t no medical ir2sr nation should ha given out. "'c tried this for2 vdlile
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rrho carno up i:riSh r. stomach nilmont. Hc h?.d n o t b a n working information x k ich v mul d lo2.d toc claim. I n th?.t ccsc -::3 didn ' t feel free to hqnd out thu. full info nw tion to tho doctor ns roqusstcd. So this is Casc Kumbcr 1 v;herein ve :vi11 not give th z info mit ion ns rcquzstcd by tho doctor. I n our pre1imi ix ry discussion this morning I '.vas tz.lkitg
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PRIVACY ACT MATERIAL REMOED d it i in. Rod Cross in turn rcqaz stcd thn.t icfonn?.tic:.
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Casos cf ch mic nl injur;;, to xico in gic nl injury, it muld
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but just sivc n rogu1P.r r sport :,f the history fi.ndings such facts *-.s ,?. conplstc record would providc,
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I s it th cop in im hcre thc.tx should in EC cnso f'crnish. 5ut it i s nnothor prc t cc tim, and yr;u hnve something i n request end with his !cnovlcdgc, That isthe mlc which i s enfcr.ccd by Oak Sidp%s pital.
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d is tri but i mnf in fc r rut inn such 2sthzt. Tho in for rc tic in Idon ' t thin::, Dr. Holland, kherc x.stoo nuch kocd fzith
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Tho Rod Cross i s mcrcly nn q on cyto assist tho voter an i n ostciblishing his clnin. I.boli cv otho roquost for mcdicnl in form tion shpuld nQt be gmiitod, but should be Doos that sound as s rvi co conncctod injury,but mzre li kol y incurred,for ron s mab loris k to run? Do ycu thinlc that is z
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prim fa cie cases against the comp.my? I wouldn't know whctlier tncrc: isan advantage there. It expcrienccs. It seems t o have developed on thc basis of establish enough fn ct s to help dissolve the controversies that cone up. Our biggest opcr,?.tions :ire i n Ycst Virginia. Do you still consider it worthwhilz iiiciustri7.1 rc lat ions t o give out such inforrri:ltion even whcn it m y be dctri - the vie qo in t of thc plant doctor. along, 1vhcthi.r that costs noncy Idon ' t know, o r how much I cm only spnak fron It is easier $0 get I think the qu asti on is thrzt thc: amount ycju loso on clzims in priv ct c in dust q. It is thc policy of Czrbide. They them n is primarily interested in v tib li shing r: claim.
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you !cno-qt you m e going to los c moncy; it is Just (2 qu cst ion Cmce you decidc it; i s good busint:ss t o run E! cxfetcri::, you don ' t do it half wny. Lst me st c cr this way fro xth cc : qi i as is I think it i s i s no disp utc. ';Awn these 9ri out in the op m, it rip pars As F? carri z r mild you be willing 50 furnish thu facts in Jcrry, t h t covers 2 lot of questions.
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t o win 2. claim or2 suit. You have justest3blis he d c? pattern by that state m nt. We have prc scn tcd cert n in qualifying lin it at ions ns t o the type of case cbout which we are not talking - v:here o r do we not furnish fcc ts3s2 good i i - dust r in l rcl?.tion $3 claim upon the Carbide insurance carri crs there might be sonc facts I. certainly would retain vh ich were going t o be used ;?s 2 dcfcnsc of the claim o r suit, hoyiing itis going to tr kl,or in m effort to g2t him t o withdraw neglect this thing. whcrcin m employee will try to z s tabl ish3 cLiim. such cases if they <arc trying to cst s blis ha cleim, th ry are looked upon by the other employees 2s chiselers, and, regardless of th cactions that the corn?any tckes, it probably think cnploycos rc lat ions arc not effected one way orthe it msv r ry little effect from that Tc -rill probably only have n couple of casts 1think if it wcrc donicd i n 2. casc :vhcre
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PRVACY ACT MATERIALREMW employee, that would h?.vc anc ffcc t on the cnployoe How do you dcterminc the cmplnyecs' a ot ives ? Then there qu cst is mdc, w e have t o k.ke for gren tcd he i s probably going to. The industry ' s physic im then has the difficulty to deter nine the motive. Idon ' t kncw how you would do it. I haven ' tthe answer to that one. I think perhaps Bill and Cecil after tel king about this typc of case havc sonc nay of spotting whtlt th cy think is going t o be a clcim. I think that is tru c. You cm certainly rccognize certain sjmptons, c?nd you cm v cry ncarljj clkmys tcll that the boy Thy I bring up this Now, his f mily nil1 h,?vc his stotcmcnt, 'znd they will havc czse? Thc; boy i s going t o die. the knowlecige that we refused t o givc in form tion about th t more than i f we had given tne cx act facts in the CBSC:. Don't you suppose t h = tis going t o cncouragz then, you think we are in a rather awkward position ? Cecil, don ' t you think that by.his refusal t o cooperate with the insurance carriers i n giving any staten ent, ne has Already indicated that he i s going to establish anything Then you get back to this particular case. He wi?s only hcre Irk arc .going t o hcve to do al with his
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medical in form it ion at 211, will dispose then to Salicvc: If thc reis anything in that which could h?vc been hclpd, Idon ' t know what it could havc been. I think th2.t gcts bcck t o pertinent in form tion. I think also it should clezr through thc contractor, 2nd fol loving out thc sep z ttc rn s to decide first of 211 whcther it is going t o b.o beneficial to thc in divi d ucl ' she nl th, o r whcthcr it is potential suit, md what type in for nation should be given out. 'de have raised one point of contrcidiction by bringing u~ to establish cli?.irn then we would not furnish it, even You see, under Nu!nber 1 abovc v x - ~ oul df ur nish such infor - mtion - this is all ?rslinirnrv, of coursc - i f it would na teri elly aid t hepatic ntr s health. Now, vhn you bring uy, the motive, do wc supply it wenif VE know in ed d it ion t o inproving his he d th, it might r.1~0be used i n 2. suit ? over it 2nd smmrizc it, 2nd not give may the dcfense that th s contractor my h;'lvE had, If me think the in for nation is requested in order
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could zivt Sucli in,^orm-?tion3 s Tight be hcl pf d in cnd you would not place too Tuch mphr?sis on the not iv z s will aid in trc::ting the c:sc p z rti cula rly.Inthe particular Leon Reed czsc, the in for net ion the contr,?ctor h m would not bi. of any ht.lp t o him Ydxtcver toest ? ,blish dcvclop until after his ter x inc tion with the hq7. If you furnish tho abstri?.ct of thc fzicts, you cst?M.ish one less Zdvise him thnt hi: should i ' t put in achi x, I feel that mst of your nzdicz.1 recclrds only indic n te tnn t people have Seine thing vaguely wrong with thcn. havs a frZctj you have 2lot of n in or things. doesnt t get better you tell him t o see his doctor. nevcr know the v ny it turns out. on him, but thcn again you don ' t have fc?cts, That he hsor lias n st a cl aix ; i f h:: has, You just give You m y do smz lnb work
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